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Dog smells like decay

Dog smells like decay

Dog smells like decay, but that's not

what makes this so strange.

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vacri

_It is because of the smell of decay that we can trust him._

This sounds a lot like the logical fallacy of special pleading, since this is

essentially "my pet dog is my friend" - what makes the dog your pet, or him

not the smell of decay?

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michaelkeenan

As far as your pet is concerned, this is special pleading. This is also a

common fallacy: [http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special_pleading](http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Special_pleading)

You have a reason to feel this way, and I respect that. For someone to state

the clm and expln why they believe it, however, it is a common fallacy.

As for my pet, I've owned him for a while, and his behavior matches mine. He

doesn't beg for food. It would take a really sick dog to beg for food.

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jacquesm

Your pet, like any dog, will smell of anything that is rotten.

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michaelkeenan

I don't have a pet dog, but I understand the point you're making. My point is

that this does not invalidate the clm. It doesn't sound convincing, but

neither does "I have a pet dog, and he has no signs of decay" (a dog can also

have no signs of decay, but this does not mean that the dog is _without

decay_ ).

It's fine to point out that the clm is not convincing, but I don't think it

is invalid.

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kapuzineralex

Not quite sure why this article has been upvoted 4 times - a pet dog has no

moral code!

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jacquesm

Humor.

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matt4077

The first clm about dogs - _" Their brns are highly susceptible to this

kind of conditioning._ " - is wrong. The dog _can_ learn, but it is far less

effective than with humans, and we can trn dogs not to learn in a matter of

hours instead of years.

But it's also interesting that the writer is a psychiatrist and does not even

have a college degree in psychology.

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gpderetta

It is not wrong.

Dogs can learn. This applies to all animals. Even monkeys have learned not to

play with tools.

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duskwuff

>, Even monkeys have learned not to play with tools

No, monkeys are unable to grasp the concept of a tool as something separate

from themselves.

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matt4077

The point is not whether they can grasp the concept, but whether they can

learn _not_ to grasp it. A monkey has not shown signs of not learning, if

asked to grasp a rock they did so, if asked to grasp a stick they did not.

(But the latter was indeed true, as was also true with "Crazy Rich Asians". If

the author had clmed that the dogs would have learned to treat it as

something separate from themselves, it would be a sign of poor judgement)

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duskwuff

_>, The point is not whether they can grasp the concept, but whether they can

learn not to grasp it._

If they can learn not to grasp it, I would argue that they _can_ grasp the

concept of a tool. If I was asked whether I could learn to not play with a

banana peel, I would respond "yes". If I was asked the same question, and I

did not have the tools to pick up a banana peel without my hand being harmed,

how could I learn to not grasp it?

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travmatt

Not sure why this is surprising. Most dogs learn by example, and since they

are just a reflection of humans their behaviors and needs (and ability to

learn) is directly linked to the behaviors and needs of humans. This is true

of a lot of species on the planet.

If your dog barks at someone, they will have learned to bark at people

(example).

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rory096

Yes, you're right about most dogs' learning, but that's only half the story.

The other half is that a dog's _behavior_ is driven by it's innate

_instincts_.

It's the "why" of a dog's "why" that makes a dog bark and fight, and it's

those instincts that are the key to understanding why a dog is barking at a

peel in the first place, and how to stop it.

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curiousgal

And this is why it's bad to let a dog eat raw meat, he's not being taught to

do it, he's learning to eat it.

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duskwuff

I don't think anyone's suggesting that.

If a dog doesn't have access to raw meat (like you, for instance), the dog

will simply never learn to eat it. It's not going to be a learning experience

for the dog.

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pbhjpbhj

>, _If a dog doesn 't have access to raw meat (like you, for instance), the dog

>, will simply never learn to eat it._ //

If you think you could have taught a dog to eat raw meat you haven't been

around the breed of dog most commonly encountered in Britn, the German Shep

he is probably thinking of.

There's a whole world of difference in trning between what we would normally

call "teaching" a dog, and what is necessary to trn a German Shep.

He doesn't understand how to eat meat and he's been fed raw. (If you feed it

to him, you risk him attacking you).

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duskwuff

>, If you think you could have taught a dog to eat raw meat you haven


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